in the last 3 weeks, something has become perfectly clear..

[Mike Pailliotet]

and even more evident without the Power of The Vortex behind my wand, "Clear Water" rinsing sucks.

Most cleaners and most customers will never notice the difference that a well formulated (cleaning) acid or mild alkaline rise makes.

 

[hogjowl]

I agree

 

[hogjowl]

I thought “well formulated “ was banned here?

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

I thought “well formulated “ was banned here?

why, you're my favorite well formulate idiot after all...

 

[Lee Stockwell]

CWR works if the right prespray is used.

However my 3rd son, Jason, who did commercial only, disliked it for two reasons.

1. If prespray was off or gapped at all, having inline rinse detergent covered the gaps or missed spots and allowed faster job completion.

2. Because all of his work was repeat scheduled commercial it wasn't a liability for it to be dirty again. He didn't like hearing "it still looks so good, let's skip this month".

However his mostly residential old man stayed on his high horse and used cwr.

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

Works if you're lazy or cheap..

Having a clean ability to your rinse gives an extra 5% difference at worse


Again, most people won't notice.

 

[Nomad74]

Love using my Prochem All Fiber rinse. It's become a staple in my arsenal.

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

Love using my Prochem All Fiber rinse. It's become a staple in my arsenal.

Best new chem of the decade

 

[Jimmy L]

Well let's back track mikey because you said you use a cwr with that nano prespray. That's what I do ...............still

 

[Bob Savage]

I never got my sample that I requested.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Water works much better when you use it correctly. Try using 12flow on your little 370.

 

[Cleanworks]

I keep hearing guys who insist on an acid rinse because they want to neutralize their high ph prespray but they have never performed a ph test on the carpet after cleaning. I can use a 10 ph prespray, rinse with 10 ph extraction detergent and still leave the carpet close to neutral. The reason we use a high ph prespray is because the soil in the carpet is acidic in nature. Try this test, take your favorite 12 ph prespray, scrub it in with a crb, let dwell for at least 10 minutes, then test with a ph indicator pen. Tell me what the ph is. Having said that, I don't go over 10 ph on residential unless its trashed. Products like Code Red or Prochem Extreme are for commercial. I rinse with Procyon Plus powder, ph around 9.5-10. My carpets are never browned out or crunchy.

 

[Papa John]

IMO an acid rinse is only needed if a high Ph pre-spray is used.
since I'm mostly cleaning wool, I clean at 8 ph.

However, when I had my V I might only do 2 strokes, now I'm doing at least 5 strokes.

The use of CWR vs Acid Rinse will depend on the pre-spray used and the detergent residue left by prior cleanings.

 

[Cleanworks]

IMO an acid rinse is only needed if a high Ph pre-spray is used.
since I'm mostly cleaning wool, I clean at 8 ph.

However, when I had my V I might only do 2 strokes, now I'm doing at least 5 strokes.

The use of CWR vs Acid Rinse will depend on the pre-spray used and the detergent residue left by prior cleanings.

Clear water rinse does not remove as much residue as a proper extraction detergent. Put some on your hands and see how long it takes to rinse off under a tap.

 

[hogjowl]

I never got my sample that I requested.

Don’t get jimmy started

 

[Dolly Llama]

98.77333333% of cleaners that claim CRW is better, don't have reliable/working chem feed systems


.L.T.A.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

On a mill tour in 1989 in Decauter AL several Monsanto engineers made their wish known that cleaners would clear rinse. I believe Bill Y among others was there. It was their feeling that excessive cleaning residue was the source of most claims.

That being said, chemistry and especially rinse agents have improved since then.

I have also not received the latest Prochem product but I use their older product .

 

[Trip Moses]

All you Cheapos’ need to buy some. If nothing else, it smells really good.

 

[Cleanworks]

Often the problem with residues are cleaners who measure by the glug system.

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

Well let's back track mikey because you said you use a cwr with that nano prespray. That's what I do ...............still

I have plenty of times



Most won't notice.

 

[DAT]

I keep hearing guys who insist on an acid rinse because they want to neutralize their high ph prespray but they have never performed a ph test on the carpet after cleaning. I can use a 10 ph prespray, rinse with 10 ph extraction detergent and still leave the carpet close to neutral. The reason we use a high ph prespray is because the soil in the carpet is acidic in nature. Try this test, take your favorite 12 ph prespray, scrub it in with a crb, let dwell for at least 10 minutes, then test with a ph indicator pen. Tell me what the ph is. Having said that, I don't go over 10 ph on residential unless its trashed. Products like Code Red or Prochem Extreme are for commercial. I rinse with Procyon Plus powder, ph around 9.5-10. My carpets are never browned out or crunchy.

I believe you.

 

[steve_64]

Clear water rinse does not remove as much residue as a proper extraction detergent. Put some on your hands and see how long it takes to rinse off under a tap.

Are you saying that you can rinse your prespray off your hands better with more cleaner?
I feel it rinses best with hard water. I use soft.

When I use Ultra Pac I use a lot of it. I think a swr works best for that.

I use all fiber rinse when I'm using prozyme plus and OSR sometimes. Depends on if I soak it down or just treat some areas lighter than others.

I've seen products gel so ultra pac to me is stand alone. The gel has nothing to do with how well you flush it. It happens on contact and the way i soak em down i doubt I'm getting it all back out no matter how much I flush it. It doesn't rinse easily no matter what.

 

[Cleanworks]

Are you saying that you can rinse your prespray off your hands better with more cleaner?
I feel it rinses best with hard water. I use soft.

When I use Ultra Pac I use a lot of it. I think a swr works best for that.

I use all fiber rinse when I'm using prozyme plus and OSR sometimes. Depends on if I soak it down or just treat some areas lighter than others.

I've seen products gel so ultra pac to me is stand alone. The gel has nothing to do with how well you flush it. It happens on contact and the way i soak em down i doubt I'm getting it all back out no matter how much I flush it. It doesn't rinse easily no matter what.

If you dilute a extraction detergent to the correct amount and spray it on your hands, yes, it will remove the traffic lane cleaner better and faster.

 

[Jimmy L]

Ron you are brain washed from so called experts telling you so.
And just like all of the "experts" telling us about covid-19..................they are full of shit

 

[Cleanworks]

Ron you are brain washed from so called experts telling you so.
And just like all of the "experts" telling us about covid-19..................they are full of shit

Try it, you'll like it and your hands will be clean for once.

 

[sassyotto]

What does the IICRC say?

 

[Mark Saiger]

We have always used a rinse though out our cleaning days when we went from just one part chemistry cleaning in the old days.

I feel we can see a difference when using a rinse. Things seem cleaner and softer, and the colors pop more from rinses tapping into those acid dye blockers.

My .02 cents of thought...

 

[hogjowl]

I knew you could post a normal response!

 

[Willy P]

Good grief. Clean an area without prespray and just a rinse agent. Clean an area with just prespray. Cleaning with both works the best. And that is the final word on that.

 

[Doug Cox]

Love using my Prochem All Fiber rinse. It's become a staple in my arsenal.

Whats your dilution?