Vortex vs The Lunchpail

[Mike Pailliotet]

Bob


Have you had the pleasure of dualing with a 6008 Vortex?


I have not tried dualing with the Judson yet but seeing how to air flow/scream is noticeably less after 150 ft I'm doubting it can compare.

 

[Ryan]

Why dosn't someone make a simple direct drive for cab over trucks? One that cost say 60k instead of 100k?

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

I'm still waiting for George to tell me why two slides ins are a stupid idea.

 

[hogjowl]

The problem with this whole arguement is that there is no right answer. Different machines are attractive to different people because everyone is different. (Especially Mikey :roll: )

I dual wanded with my Vortex for over 8 hours on Saturday. I did two different commercial jobs with it in one day that would have taken me two Saturdays and one week night to do otherwise. I love having the Vortex when dual wanding, and even single wanding it would be hard to go back to a smaller blower.

Does it make strict financial sense for me to own a Vortex. No, it does not. I would be better off owning a single wand 47 blower unit, but I would sure get tired of having to take over twice as long to clean those dual wand jobs that come about 4 to 6 times a year. Plus, if the economy ever picks up, and all my school accounts start cleaning again, I would miss the Vortex really badly.

Having said that, anybody want to purchase my V?

 

[Chris A]

The problem with this whole arguement is that there is no right answer. Different machines are attractive to different people because everyone is different. (Especially Mikey :roll: )

I dual wanded with my Vortex for over 8 hours on Saturday. I did two different commercial jobs with it in one day that would have taken me two Saturdays and one week night to do otherwise. I love having the Vortex when dual wanding, and even single wanding it would be hard to go back to a smaller blower.

Does it make strict financial sense for me to own a Vortex. No, it does not. I would be better off owning a single wand 47 blower unit, but I would sure get tired of having to take over twice as long to clean those dual wand jobs that come about 4 to 6 times a year. Plus, if the economy ever picks up, and all my school accounts start cleaning again, I would miss the Vortex really badly.

Having said that, anybody want to purchase my V?

Do you run your V down some when running a single wand? Or full on 1700 RPM's all de time...?

 

[hogjowl]

Wide open alldetime.

 

[Bob Savage]

Have you had the pleasure of dualing with a 6008 Vortex?

No, I haven't, but I have seen others cleaning carpet at different CC gatherings with a Vortex. The Vortex is impressive, but it's just too big and expensive for me.

As far as dual wanding, we use our slide-in with a #45 blower, a SAVAGE LP heater, and Cat Pump. It rocks. We have even used it for tile/grout and carpet cleaning at the same time. I don't understand why more carpet cleaners do not see the advantages of running dual wands. I don't expect everyone to jump on board with that any time soon though.

I have not tried dualing with the Judson yet but seeing how to air flow/scream is noticeably less after 150 ft I'm doubting it can compare.

I know the 6008 can scream at the wand, but truth be told, many other blowers that are not screaming at the wand, will still do a more than adequate job of extracting.

It's all in the design of the machine.

 

[Bob Foster]

Mike when you are dual wanding with the Vortex how much of the time is the vacuum relief valve opening up?

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

all the time.

 

[Greenie]

Say what you will, the only difference on 150' of 2.5" hose is One unit is running at 17"hg and 600 cfm, the other at 14"hg and 400 cfm.

That difference, is what is heard at the wand. Only problem is it doesn't change dry times much.

And to be totally fair, it would be good to know in Mike's example, how much of that 150' run is 2.5 on the Pail (TNT500, we don't call them C-4s out west) and how much is 2.5 on the mighty V?

The trick to making any #4 blower scream at 150-300' is running the big hose and a rock solid Bayco valve that holds 14-15"HG rock solid.

And not that it matters all that much but the Oversized lawnmower engines are not very loud, they just arent, a CDS blower has a far more irritating whine to it by comparison, you can have a conversation 20' from Mike's Pail at full roar.

 

[Chris A]

When my van doors are shut I can whisper sweet nothings into housewives' ears next to the blower exhaust with Zero disruption...

 

[Chris A]

...plus your wasting your time on me Greenie, I'd never buy a TM that looks like something I could buy the plans to out of the back of Popular Mechanics.

 

[Greenie]

I'm not casting pearls...just correcting a statement that lawn mower engines are loud....not really.

And I listen to a 4.8 just about everyday, i know how loud those whispers need to be.

The vac on a popular mechanics lunchpail isn't that same as a choked down 4.8, different animal.

 

[bob vawter]

...plus your wasting your time on me Greenie, I'd never buy a TM that looks like something I could buy the plans to out of the back of Popular Mechanics.

buy a Genie...buy a Genie...buy a Genie

 

[Chris A]

[quote="Chris Adkins":2x4d11lc]...plus your wasting your time on me Greenie, I'd never buy a TM that looks like something I could buy the plans to out of the back of Popular Mechanics.

buy a Genie...buy a Genie...buy a Genie[/quote:2x4d11lc]


I have a 1000 hour fresh 2009 CDS/Chevy, I'm good for the moment, I may boy one off ya in the Spring for a second van though!

 

[hogjowl]

They are fugly ain't they Chris?

 

[hogjowl]

What's driving Mikey's opinion this month is his Lunchpail honeymoon period combined with a board advertisers influence and a desire to help GreenBean with a potentially good business startup.

 

[Bob Foster]

Ferrari, I was thinking more like a Hummer. Ostentatious, out of business and currently ceased production and a machine that for 95% of the market makes no sense at all.

The other manufacturers aren't dumb. Be careful how you categorize the rest of us white van owners.

Please show me the physics principal where noise is cumulative. Also show us a machine that makes sense for most cleaners.

 

[Carpet Cleaning Fool]

I'm still waiting for George to tell me why two slides ins are a stupid idea.

i'm driving on the freeway now.

l8tr :arrow:

 

[Jim Pemberton]

This industry attracts an enormous amount of "White Trash".

ANYBODY can buy a portable machine and a box of chemicals and be soaking carpets in half million dollar homes the same day. No License. No Education. No Insurance. No Bonding. No Regulation. Nothing.

A guy can lose his job at McDonald's on Monday and be carpet cleaner on Tuesday for less than $1,000.00. (And he can make more money as well.)

Manufacturers of cleaning equipment know who their target market is... Cheap bastards looking to get in and make as much money with as little an investment as possible. That's why you find plastic rocker switches and other ridiculously cheap parts on most machines.

That's an interesting comment Shawn. I don't want to misunderstand your thoughts, so may I ask this:

Do you feel anyone who doesn't buy a Vortex is "White Trash"? Or just the guys who buy 1000.00 start up set ups?

I'd appreciate some clarity on those statements before I make any further comments Shawn.

 

[Ryan]

I have no problem with the guys who want this, but I have no desire to become a "craftsman" in this industry and push a wand the rest of my life. I plan on running my business like just that a business. I like to look at the companys who have blazed a path ahead of me. I know Zero Rez uses big pto machines, but I doubt they cost as much as the V's. Most large companys use the "white trash" vans and do fairly well with it.

Why not just mount a Prochem Everest in a box truck? I just read the specs on those things today and their almost up to par with the Vortex's.

 

[Jay D]

Hay, Hay, Haaaay, White Trash? I represent that remark, should we be offended....... Whats wrong with plastic rocker switches? :roll:

 

[Chris A]

What's driving Mikey's opinion this month is his Lunchpail honeymoon period combined with a board advertisers influence and a desire to help GreenBean with a potentially good business startup.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Ryan]

Why not just mount a Prochem Everest in a box truck? I just read the specs on those things today and their almost up to par with the Vortex's.

Very funny.

Hook the vac hose from a Vortex to the vac hose on an Everest and the Vortex will kill the Prochem engine and spin it's blower backwards.

I didn't say it was more powerful then a Vortex I just said it looked like a nice unit. Looks like it has plenty of power to dual wand. The Vortex is a sweet machine, but is it really productive enough to justifiy buying it over any large slide in that cost 1/2 or less the price? And is way cheaper to work on? And would give you more room inside the box truck?

 

[Bob Foster]

So Shawn if you know Mike is not full of shit then take his remark about two TMs in a truck seriously. I know it could be done very well and have a far more efficient layout and utility than a Vortex.

 

[Bob Savage]

Say what you will, the only difference on 150' of 2.5" hose is One unit is running at 17"hg and 600 cfm, the other at 14"hg and 400 cfm.

That difference, is what is heard at the wand. Only problem is it doesn't change dry times much.

Exactly.

 

[bob vawter]

Ferrari, I was thinking more like a Hummer. Ostentatious, out of business and currently ceased production and a machine that for 95% of the market makes no sense at all.

The other manufacturers aren't dumb. Be careful how you categorize the rest of us white van owners.

Please show me the physics principal where noise is cumulative. Also show us a machine that makes sense for most cleaners.

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

Honeymoon period my ass.


The lunch pail may have Ethel Mertz's face but she has Angolina Jolie's' body.

Sort of homely but built to kick ass and look great after three marriages and 3 kids.
Her ass won't lose it's support after a year and anal drip just ain't gonna happen.

Sure her jewelry is cheap but rocker pendants at Auto Zone are $4.99 and not $180 at BleuxLINE

Her fiery personality gets hot and horny right away after breakfast and not after a late lunch...

and best yet, I can have a 3 decade long threesome in the back of my Ford LCF for half the cost of a 60 month monogamous marriage with Thomasina Fielding.

 

[joe harper]

How about you have the Vortex....SUCK ON THIS OLD GIRL... :wink:

SHE will turn that PTO shaft.....Into SpAggEttI.... ...

 

[Greenie]

I just picked up a bottle of 06 Concannon Petite Sirah, will be good tonight.